114 to go!
Well, I say 30 down, they aren't completed yet, this is how far my framer got today, with not much help from me as I was getting on with the 'normal' stuff plus taking orders.
240 sides cut and pinned, and the underpinner went tits up half way - both clamp springs and the hammer return spring went on us, had a hammer spring (had 2 actually) but no clamp springs - rang my Nielsen rep - an ex Euro Mouldings rep who can strip and assemble a Euro underpinner in a flash and has a supply of spares.
"HEEEEEEEELP - have you got any rebate clamp springs"?
"No - but I've got one big long one the correct diameter that I can snip down"
"GREAT - are you passing this way any time soon"? (Thinking Monday/Tuesday would be great - we could botch it 'til then, but not on this job)
"I'll be with you in 20 minutes"
Yeeeeehah!
The cut lengths on the left are nothing to do with this job. The stacks are a flat profile mitred on its side and the frames to cap them are being pinned.
Here are the 30 finished frames.
And this is how they will look when assembled - plus a flag in the top mount, in an aperture the shape of the company logo.
12 countries, one full set of 12 to each country - I have to box them all up for a courier for delivery to the company's HQ in London - central. Am seriously considering delivering them, especially as my framer is an ex London Cabbie and has 'The Knowledge'!
BTW - see those two strange square objects, central in the 1st shot and behind the glue bottle/on top of a stack of mounts in the second shot? Weights - made by glueing together a stack of pieces of 4x4" glass and wrapping them in fabric. Very useful.
Thirty down
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Teresa
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Re: Thirty down
Is that the same framer " joe" you were moaning about a few week's ago ? sound's like he's done a good job!
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Roboframer
Re: Thirty down
It is and he has.
I deliberately let him get on with it because I knew I'd be constantly interupted and he's fine on repetitive work - pity we don't get more of it. Plus the 'plan' I mentioned on the other thread is working quite well.
He did screw up early on though, I said to make one 'template' cap frame to fit the mounts and then make all the boxes to fit that. That way if we were out a bit - and it would be too much play; not too little and just a tiny fraction, we could adjust and then make all the cap frames to fit the boxes nice and snug.
He decided, when I was out of the workshop, to make that template frame from offcuts.
He used the wrong moulding - a slightly wider one; not the one I had 100 metres of ready to go.
Didn't find out until all the boxes were made, and it meant that all the top mounts had to be re-cut and all the flags had to be re-mounted. It means that the rest of those 114 mounts will have to match and unless I cut the outside size manually and not on the CMC, we'll get 3 mounts less per jumbo board.
I toyed with the idea of ordering 100m of the moulding he'd used, but the above option is cheaper.
So there!
I deliberately let him get on with it because I knew I'd be constantly interupted and he's fine on repetitive work - pity we don't get more of it. Plus the 'plan' I mentioned on the other thread is working quite well.
He did screw up early on though, I said to make one 'template' cap frame to fit the mounts and then make all the boxes to fit that. That way if we were out a bit - and it would be too much play; not too little and just a tiny fraction, we could adjust and then make all the cap frames to fit the boxes nice and snug.
He decided, when I was out of the workshop, to make that template frame from offcuts.
He used the wrong moulding - a slightly wider one; not the one I had 100 metres of ready to go.
Didn't find out until all the boxes were made, and it meant that all the top mounts had to be re-cut and all the flags had to be re-mounted. It means that the rest of those 114 mounts will have to match and unless I cut the outside size manually and not on the CMC, we'll get 3 mounts less per jumbo board.
I toyed with the idea of ordering 100m of the moulding he'd used, but the above option is cheaper.
So there!
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Re: Thirty down
Wow, what a fantastic looking job you've made of those robo. 
I really hope I can be as good as that soon.
Is there any point in asking you to try to run through the procedure for making these??
Nice job dude, nice job!
Bear.
I really hope I can be as good as that soon.
Is there any point in asking you to try to run through the procedure for making these??
Nice job dude, nice job!
Bear.
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Re: Thirty down
Love the finished article.
I am about to begin a corporate order, nothing as exiting as yours. Just plain old A2 and A3 in single mount.
I have two questions. First will you be offering a maintenance contract?
Secound, this is probably a really daft question, the cove box, how do you attach the outer mount? Is the cove box supported under the upper mount with foam board or other, OR is it attached using hinging tape?
I have a couple of my own pieces i intend to frame in a cove box, made a couple the other day, the cutting was fine but the bending to make the box proved difficult and i ended up with unsightly creases.
Many Thanks,
Sandra
I am about to begin a corporate order, nothing as exiting as yours. Just plain old A2 and A3 in single mount.
I have two questions. First will you be offering a maintenance contract?
Secound, this is probably a really daft question, the cove box, how do you attach the outer mount? Is the cove box supported under the upper mount with foam board or other, OR is it attached using hinging tape?
I have a couple of my own pieces i intend to frame in a cove box, made a couple the other day, the cutting was fine but the bending to make the box proved difficult and i ended up with unsightly creases.
Many Thanks,
Sandra
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Roboframer
Re: Thirty down
Nope!stanhol wrote:I have two questions. First will you be offering a maintenance contract?
The coved sides are 'V' grooved at the top to make flaps which fold under and stick to the top mount.stanhol wrote:Secound, this is probably a really daft question, the cove box, how do you attach the outer mount? Is the cove box supported under the upper mount with foam board or other, OR is it attached using hinging tape?
See this topic...... http://theframersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5266 and then download the 'Cove Box Designer' from the left hand toolbar - it does all the calculations for you and cutting (one or two) by hand isn't difficult.
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Nigel Nobody
Re: Thirty down
These look great, John. I love the idea of incorporating a cove mat under a flat mat!
If you keep getting jobs like this you'll have to get your self a double mitre saw and a computerised vee nailer!
What a nice job to get!
If you keep getting jobs like this you'll have to get your self a double mitre saw and a computerised vee nailer!
What a nice job to get!
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Re: Thirty down
Hi John,
Brilliant design and execution. That's so nice!
Brilliant design and execution. That's so nice!
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stcstc
Re: Thirty down
John
how do you get the cove sides to fold so clean. i know there is a v groove. but do you get a crack on the back of the fold?
how do you get the cove sides to fold so clean. i know there is a v groove. but do you get a crack on the back of the fold?
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Roboframer
Re: Thirty down
You can't see the 'floor' of the cove as it's covered with another mount. On the other topic you can see a closeup of it without that mount and it's not perfect at all.
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stcstc
Re: Thirty down
thanks john
have you tried setting the v groove slightly deeper than half the board, so that it has less to fold? just an idea i was thinking might make it work well
have you tried setting the v groove slightly deeper than half the board, so that it has less to fold? just an idea i was thinking might make it work well
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Roboframer
Re: Thirty down
Yes but it also needs to be as strong as possible - it could be re-strengthened after folding I suppose. But a better way may be to run a fine embossing tool over the front of the folds before folding.
I'm not even sure that 'V' grooves are necessary for the folds, just scoring should work well and may provide a better front crease - I'll try that on the next batch, won't matter visually for this job but it would speed up the mount cutting a whole lot - it could all be done with the 90 degree head and with less cuts.
I'm not even sure that 'V' grooves are necessary for the folds, just scoring should work well and may provide a better front crease - I'll try that on the next batch, won't matter visually for this job but it would speed up the mount cutting a whole lot - it could all be done with the 90 degree head and with less cuts.
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Re: Thirty down
Robo, I'm not going to attempt the cove yet but I would like to have a go with that configuration of mouldings, my jet mounter and the new printer. Having printed of some good photos I want to have a go at mounting them and them putting them into a frame like those you show. So, firstly please what are the 2 mouldings. Second, as you fit the 2nd frame into the 1st do you simply glue it into position.
I've tried to download Kev's (Moonshine ) Wizard design for cove boxes but cannot for the life of me achieve it - if you pick up on this Kev I've pm'd you for help.
Thanks.
I've tried to download Kev's (Moonshine ) Wizard design for cove boxes but cannot for the life of me achieve it - if you pick up on this Kev I've pm'd you for help.
Thanks.
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Roboframer
Re: Thirty down
The two mouldings are Nielsen W45820 (mitred on its side to give the depth) and W45620 to cap it.
But this combination was only chosen to solve the rebate depth problem from what I stocked; had I know they'd want so many I would have sourced a moulding with a rebate deep enough (and there are several in black!) to do it in one hit.
When I found out the quantity I sourced quite a few profiles that would fit the bill and sent them samples, but they weren't interested, they liked this look better
Anyway, they're just flat matt blacks, everyone does them, however, these Nielsen ones are ramin, so I think that's a good choice for the outer moulding.
As for fitting them together, if you screw them together they can be taken apart easily, but as far as I'm concerned the two are now one and I glue them together good and proper! It seals them anyway.
On larger frames I may add some screws in the centre, but that would be just to ensure the two frames are tightly pulled together.
But this combination was only chosen to solve the rebate depth problem from what I stocked; had I know they'd want so many I would have sourced a moulding with a rebate deep enough (and there are several in black!) to do it in one hit.
When I found out the quantity I sourced quite a few profiles that would fit the bill and sent them samples, but they weren't interested, they liked this look better
Anyway, they're just flat matt blacks, everyone does them, however, these Nielsen ones are ramin, so I think that's a good choice for the outer moulding.
As for fitting them together, if you screw them together they can be taken apart easily, but as far as I'm concerned the two are now one and I glue them together good and proper! It seals them anyway.
On larger frames I may add some screws in the centre, but that would be just to ensure the two frames are tightly pulled together.
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Roboframer
DISASTER!
Here's one with a flag in a company logo-shaped aperture - nice innit!
Trouble is though, it's the wrong way around, the rounded corners should be top left and bottom right. We've finished this 30 now and there's a stack more ready to be assembled - all have to be re-done. How we laughed when I found out
Trouble is though, it's the wrong way around, the rounded corners should be top left and bottom right. We've finished this 30 now and there's a stack more ready to be assembled - all have to be re-done. How we laughed when I found out
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Roboframer
Re: Thirty down
The bad words were inserted between syllables of non-bad words with bad words between ......
"Oh ****!! - I ****ing think I've ****ed the ****ing lo****inggo up, it's up****ing side ****ing down ..... (et****ingcetera)!
They initially asked for the flag apertures to be square .... with rounded corners as per the logo, even though the logo is rectangular and flags are bloody rectangular! I pointed this out, they said 'Don't ask, it's a PC thing'
So the last sample I sent had a square aperture; they said 'GO .... but forget the PC/square thing now and make the aperture rectangular to fit the flags'. Well, when I altered that I must have turned it 90 degrees first .... or something.
Up until that point they'd wanted to see a complete framed sample per idea they had, but this time they just said to go ahead but with that change, wish they'd asked for a sample!
Could be worse, imagine if I'd not spotted it .... or nobody spotted it until it was distributed, and they were all recalled - from as far afield as Australia - how we would have laughed THEN!
"Oh ****!! - I ****ing think I've ****ed the ****ing lo****inggo up, it's up****ing side ****ing down ..... (et****ingcetera)!
They initially asked for the flag apertures to be square .... with rounded corners as per the logo, even though the logo is rectangular and flags are bloody rectangular! I pointed this out, they said 'Don't ask, it's a PC thing'
So the last sample I sent had a square aperture; they said 'GO .... but forget the PC/square thing now and make the aperture rectangular to fit the flags'. Well, when I altered that I must have turned it 90 degrees first .... or something.
Up until that point they'd wanted to see a complete framed sample per idea they had, but this time they just said to go ahead but with that change, wish they'd asked for a sample!
Could be worse, imagine if I'd not spotted it .... or nobody spotted it until it was distributed, and they were all recalled - from as far afield as Australia - how we would have laughed THEN!
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Nigel Nobody
Re: Thirty down
I would have fixed the ones that were sent down here to save the freight......come to think of it I could do that for 10% less than the freight back to England, then back to Oz. Would have saved you some money and I would have made a steeeenking fortune!Roboframer wrote: Could be worse, imagine if I'd not spotted it .... or nobody spotted it until it was distributed, and they were all recalled - from as far afield as Australia - how we would have laughed THEN!
