Cigarette cards

Phillip Woods · Post by **Phillip Woods** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 9:00 am

Morning All

Quick question. I'm framing 2 sets of cards (Wills wild flowers). I'm using Barrington-Smith's pre cut mounts. I'm putting perspex on the back so the reverse sides can be read. I dont want to tape the cards in place if I can help it. Is there an accepted way of putting the whole lot in place without the cards slipping?

Also has anyone hand cut a mount for a set of 50 cards, if so how??

Regds

Phill

Spit · Post by **Spit** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 9:12 am

Assuming you will have some edge of the cards overlapping the mount you could use something like Herma repositionable dots

WelshFramer · Post by **WelshFramer** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 9:22 am

Spit wrote:Assuming you will have some edge of the cards overlapping the mount you could use something like Herma repositionable dots

You could even just use few of them to stick the cards to the perspex - they're almost invisible and if done, say, as a neat row on each card, should look fine.

Framerpicture · Post by **Framerpicture** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 9:43 am

When I frame these cards I use glass both sides and have a mount with square cut aperture and find that the cards need no sticking- and stay put! If your viewing both sides anything you use to stick will be seen.

I've never used perspex, but reckon this would give too much.

In the dim and distant past I have cut a 50 cig card mount on a Keencut . I had no alternative but to bevel cut it , but it did work.
I'd suggest marking out lighlty in pencil on the back- you'll soon get your head round which way the bevel goes!

I did one not long after I'd started framing and remember getting very near the end and lining up the wrong line to cut down. Resulting in me having to start again and a broken toe from kicking the wall in frustration!!

Good luck

Post by **prospero** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 2:24 pm

Also in the dim and distant I did three ciggy card mounts. One was OK as all the cards were the same orientation, but the other two had odd numbers of portrait/landscape. Took ages working out the layout before I started cutting.

That's 50 cards per set, 150 windows, 600 cuts. All eyeballed to a pencil line with a tolerance of <1mm.

Must have had more stamina in them days.

Bill Henry · Post by **Bill Henry** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 3:17 pm

To eliminate the need for any adhesives on these cards, I would opt to encapsulate each of them with a mylar sleeve. Any reasonable neumes … pneumess … stamp dealer will carry a product called ShoGard. We use them frequently for stamps and baseball (sports) cards.

These thin plastic transparent envelopes come in a variety of sizes. You can choose one that is a few millimeters larger than the cards themselves. Once you position the cards in the center of the sleeve, you can tape the sleeve and the cards should remain centered. Then just tape the sleeve in the window of each mount.

Easy peasy, and the cards will remain pristine.

Moglet · Post by **Moglet** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 4:15 pm

Bill Henry wrote:Any reasonable neumes … pneumess …

Shouldn't that be "fylat.... phelata...."????

(Forgive me, Bill, couldn't resist: I just felt this gratuitous need to be very silly indeed!

)

Spit · Post by **Spit** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 4:16 pm

flatulancist is the word!

Bill Henry · Post by **Bill Henry** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 5:18 pm

Moglet wrote: Shouldn't that be "fylat.... phelata...."????

(Forgive me, Bill, couldn't resist: I just felt this gratuitous need to be very silly indeed! )

Yeah, you're right! I always get those two professions mixed up. I was reluctant to try my hand at fillylatetlest for fear of typing something rude.

… But, Steve beat me to it.

The Jolly Good Framer #1 · Wed 26 Mar, 2008 5:39 pm

I use the Barrington-Smith mounts.
Glass on the front and back - no need to stick, just place them in.
Careful when putting in the tabs!

I did cut a 50 card once - 25 portrait 25 landscape - with a scalpel.
It was very hard work and I had a blister on my finger by the time I had finished.

Spit · Post by **Spit** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 5:42 pm

Scalpel? You were lucky! When I were a lad, we 'ad t' cut mount wi' axe!

kaptain.kopter · Post by **kaptain.kopter** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 5:53 pm

we used to dream of 'avin axe..........................

The Jolly Good Framer #1 · Wed 26 Mar, 2008 6:08 pm

Well when I say scalpel what I really ment was a sharp flint dug out of the ground.
You try keeping a mount clean in the middle of a field.
And when I say a sharp flint it was more of a blunt pebble.

You youngsters should think yourself lucky with yer CMC's

Not your average framer · Wed 26 Mar, 2008 6:15 pm

I've not done this, but I have been told that it is possible to lightly spray the back sheet of glass which something like Spraymount and this will hold the mount and cards in place.

I don't know if the Spraymount shows, but I would guess that non-reflective glass would hide any visible effects. There are three different Spray adhesives made by 3M's, these are Spraymount, Photomount and another I can't think of right now. One of these is not permanent, but is also re-positionable. Reversibility is at best questionable.

Merlin · Post by **Merlin** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 6:39 pm

Reversibility is Definately questionable with any type of glue.

Some of these cigarette/trade cards are collectors pieces or could be in the future...

Everything must be reversible....

WelshFramer · Post by **WelshFramer** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 6:57 pm

Merlin wrote: Everything must be reversible....

'specially death...

Post by **prospero** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 7:05 pm

kaptain.kopter wrote:we used to dream of 'avin axe..........................

We add 'ad one rusty breadknife between twelve on us. And bloody grateful we were an'all thar nors.

Next......

Roboframer · Post by **Roboframer** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 7:58 pm

I agree with Bill, encapsulation makes a job like this simple and no adhesive touches the cards.

Roboframer · Post by **Roboframer** » Wed 26 Mar, 2008 8:03 pm

prospero wrote:
We add 'ad one rusty breadknife between twelve on us. And bloody grateful we were an'all thar nors.

Next......

Breadknife? You were lucky! I 'ad to use wun of me own sharpened ribs that me Dad ripped aht when 'e were pissed one nah't.

Not your average framer · Wed 26 Mar, 2008 9:01 pm

Merlin wrote:Everything must be reversible....

Hi John,

That's why I said it was questionable!

However it may be acceptable for modern reproduction cards.