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Looking for 60mm deep rebate frame

Post by AtelierFrames » Thu 28 Apr, 2022 7:47 pm

Hi
Could anyone advise where I could buy 60mm deep rebate moulding 20mm wide in matt Black.
A customer wants me to make a frame to match one they have but I can't seem to find any of this size.

Wish I had said I would just reframe the o e they had so it would be a match.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Looking for 60mm deep rebate frame

Post by Not your average framer » Thu 28 Apr, 2022 9:25 pm

Could it be Rose and Hollis A45 handfinished in matt black? This moulding is available in Oak, Obeche and tulipwood.

http://www.roseandhollis.co.uk/products/a45/

I hope that this helps,
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Re: Looking for 60mm deep rebate frame

Post by AtelierFrames » Fri 29 Apr, 2022 5:56 am

Hi Mark.

Thank you for finding and recommending this.
The profile/size would be fine but I was needing matt black. I have dropped them an email to see if they have anything suitable.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

Thanks once again.
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Re: Looking for 60mm deep rebate frame

Post by Not your average framer » Fri 29 Apr, 2022 9:08 am

I am not particularly expecting you to easily find a moulding in this size as a ready finished moulding. As you may perhaps understand, there is not a particularly large market for unusually large mouldings and for mass produced mouldings, there is a need for a big enough and regular enough demand to generate enough sales for a supplier to find enough business to be worthwhile to stock whatever mouldings that are practical inventary for their business. Not only that, but many suppliers have down sized their range of products to those which are the most regular sales items to maintain their cash flow in these difficult times.

There are businesses which specialise in framing for the hotel and hospitality business and larger mouldings would be quite common in their line of business. Many of these are commercial contract framers, maybe if you can track down such a business, they might have such a large moulding that they would be willing to sell a length of to you. I know that it sounds a bit of a long shot, but sometimes long shots can be the answer to obtaining items which are not easy to find. I hope that this is helpful,
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Re: Looking for 60mm deep rebate frame

Post by Gesso&Bole » Fri 29 Apr, 2022 9:18 am

There are a couple of options that may work for you, but generally I cut them down to size and hand-finish.

I wasn't sure from your post of the 20mm width was on the face or the base. Generally if you want 20mm on the face it would be too tall and thin for most framers to easily join (without a Hoffmann) so unlikely to be manufactured.

Either of these options may work for you though

Centrado - open grain black 2578BK this is 25mm face, 20mm base and 72mm rebate depth (this can easily be cut down)

Larson Juhl 411 000 167 67mm rebate depth and 29mm face

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Re: Looking for 60mm deep rebate frame

Post by iorek » Fri 29 Apr, 2022 9:54 am

https://www.lionpic.co.uk/p/33527/30mm- ... e-Moulding

Not exactly right, but fairly close

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Re: Looking for 60mm deep rebate frame

Post by Not your average framer » Fri 29 Apr, 2022 10:35 am

I noticed that one from Lion as well, but I assumed that the 30mm width might no be what is wanted. However Lion can supply that moulding on chop, which might be very helpful as it might not be easily to cut on a Morso, but if you need to cut a moulding that tall on a Morso it may be helpful to clamp it down onto the Morso. Recognising the difficulty in cutting it on a Morso and the potental waste of money if if does not cut cleanly, I would personally pay the extra and have it cut by Lion on chop.

It won't necessarily be easy to join either and my preference would be to clamp and glue the corner, before inserting the wedges on the underpinner. My usual technique with such deep moulding is to only stack the wedges on the inside of the moulding, which allows a bit of spece for the fact that stacked wedges almost always curve outwards and only to use single wedges closer to the outside of the moulding to avoid any wedges penetrating the outer edge of the moulding.

Gluing, clamping and joining this moulding won't be a quick and easy job to do. Not only that, but I would recommend that you check before ordering that you underpinner can accomodate that height of moulding adequately, as not all underpinners may always be suitable for joining such tall moundings. It is likely to be helpful, while handling and underpinning such a large framng to provide some support with a band clamp. While gluing and clamping the moulding lengths, if you bench to is not completely level it may be a good thing to level things up with some playing cards as spacers in strategic places underneath the frame.

Take care how you price this job as it may require more time and costs than usual.
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Re: Looking for 60mm deep rebate frame

Post by Gesso&Bole » Fri 29 Apr, 2022 11:37 am

I just chop these flat ones upside down in the Morso. Just make sure the base of the machine is nice and clean, just push the rebate supports out of the way.

As for joining, these days I use a Hoffmann, but before I got that I would glue it up generously, underpin with 1 or 2 15mm wedges, but NOT stack them, and then use a strap clamp for the top. Sometimes, depending on the finish and the size, I would use the headless pin gun to side pin the top as well. This will get a good result, but because I was doing lots of these, the clamping became a bottleneck.

Now I have the Hoffmann I do still use the underpinner, but if I was forced to choose between them, I would DEFINITELY keep the Hoffmann.
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Re: Looking for 60mm deep rebate frame

Post by Not your average framer » Fri 29 Apr, 2022 12:39 pm

I have for a long time wanted to get a Hoffman for my self, but to date have not done so. I still think that I probably will one day get one. However, what I was saying about cutting such a large and relatively expensive moulding on a Morso has more to do with what happens, if you hit a poor quality patch of obeche and end up wasting that piece of obeche, because the quality of the piece of obeche is too soft and crumbly to be possible to cut and join to an acceptable standard. At least, if you bought it on chop, you have not wasted your money and your supplier will be able to replace it free of charge.
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Re: Looking for 60mm deep rebate frame

Post by AtelierFrames » Fri 29 Apr, 2022 8:42 pm

Thanks everyone. The advice and knowledge sharing has been very useful. Think I am sorted now (but I now have a plan B if this doesn't turn out as planned.

Thank you all once again. Your help has been very much appreciated.

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Re: Looking for 60mm deep rebate frame

Post by Not your average framer » Sat 30 Apr, 2022 9:06 am

I hope that this job all goes well for you!
Mark.
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