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Mikey the 2nd
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Out of town

Post by Mikey the 2nd » Sun 07 Nov, 2021 3:24 pm

It's another premises question sorry. We have a really nice little successful business that keeps my wife and I. The business under 2 owners has been where it is for many decades. It is in a town but not on the high street but pretty central. Our lease is ending and will not be renewed. Although we have not been given notice it is likely imminent and we don't want to be on the back foot. Premises near us are like the proverbial rocking horse droppings unless you want a high street shop which in our town is not financially viable for just the 2 of us. I have found a premises that will work size wise (allbeit tight) however it is a little out of town. It is exactly 5mins drive door to door from our place now. It is on a really nice business park with no heavy industry and a couple of similar style type businesses, it has it's own parking, disabled access and fully serviced with internet etc. We are however worried that we will loose a great deal of business if we move that far away and out of town. Has anyone experienced similar? I'm thinking a little that people are likely to follow us as i believe picture framing is not a footfall driven business.
Any thoughts please? I's a pretty testing time for us TBH
Thanks in advance

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Re: Out of town

Post by Not your average framer » Sun 07 Nov, 2021 3:42 pm

Usually a business in a new location is essentially a fresh start and is therefore a new business, not a rebirth of the old one. You are starting again from scratch and that most likely includes finding a new customer base.
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Re: Out of town

Post by Rainbow » Sun 07 Nov, 2021 4:11 pm

Your existing customers will probably be delighted - I know I would! So much more convenient to be able to drive right up to the door with no parking problems, particularly if they’re picking up a heavy picture. Possibly more difficult for somebody travelling by public transport - is it on a bus route?

Are there any other picture framing shops in the centre of town? That might pose a risk of losing some existing customers, but I wouldn’t mind betting it’s unlikely that you’d lose many (if any) that way. Some of my customers have made a 20 minute journey to me because they’ve not been impressed with the other couple of picture framers in the area, so 5 minutes doesn’t sound like a problem.

So new customers - how do you currently get them? Passing trade possibly, but if there’s no shop to pass by, then it’s odds-on people will look for a framer on the internet, and hopefully find you.

The other thing about being slightly out-of-town is that there might be billboards close by that you could advertise on, and people are more likely to see them when there’s a bit more space around, rather than being in a cluttered town centre.

Is there any alternative anyway? Or is it a case of taking these premises and doing as much as you can to retain existing customers and making sure that your web site is encouraging to new customers and at the top of Google?

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Re: Out of town

Post by Not your average framer » Sun 07 Nov, 2021 4:21 pm

You have already got a reputation with previous customers, letting them know were to find you in your new location is a good first move!
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Re: Out of town

Post by Abacus » Sun 07 Nov, 2021 6:10 pm

When you signed your lease (originally) did you opt out of the Landlord and tenant act?

If not, then you can’t be served notice.

I’ve just been through this.

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Re: Out of town

Post by InofftheRed » Mon 08 Nov, 2021 10:38 am

Does the L&T Act extend to commercial properties, I thought it was to provide protection for residential properties/

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Re: Out of town

Post by Not your average framer » Mon 08 Nov, 2021 11:00 am

How big is the industrial unit, which you are considering? If it is big enough you might be able to share the business unit with a photographer and get some business making frames for the photographer as well. Down here in Devon it is not uncommon from two businesses to share one industrial unit and there is often a helpful connection between the two businesses. It is also very helpful to be able to share things like heating and lighting costs.
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Re: Out of town

Post by Steve N » Mon 08 Nov, 2021 2:28 pm

If it only 5 minutes away, then your existing customers will follow, I move about 10 miles and it a good 1/2 hour drive and harder to park, and I still get existing customers bloody finding me :giggle:
Admittedly not a lot, but I prefer it that way, as I have gone part time / semi-retired, I'm sure you will go from strength to strength :clap: :clap:
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Re: Out of town

Post by Not your average framer » Mon 08 Nov, 2021 2:34 pm

Lots of framers are working from home and using their garages. Local authorities usually stipulate that customers must come by appointment only, if you are working from home. This is another possibility which may work for some!
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Re: Out of town

Post by Abacus » Mon 08 Nov, 2021 4:05 pm

InofftheRed wrote:
Mon 08 Nov, 2021 10:38 am
Does the L&T Act extend to commercial properties, I thought it was to provide protection for residential properties/
Yes, it applies to commercial properties.

As long as you haven’t breached your lease then you are protected. The landlord cannot change the terms, only the rent. There are a couple of exceptions, but on those cases compensation must be paid.

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Re: Out of town

Post by fusionframer » Wed 10 Nov, 2021 10:18 am

I have moved 8-10 minutes drive away from my previous workshop and my customers have been fine with it. I sent an email to my customers to announce the move and changed my details on my website and google.

On a couple of occasions, customers have turned up at my old workshop and called from there asking where i was. When i have explained, they have been fine and just driven straight to my new workshop, so i really think you will be fine.

I reckon that if you have better parking anyway, customers will probably prefer your new premises.

Good luck with it all.

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Re: Out of town

Post by Mikey the 2nd » Wed 12 Jan, 2022 5:23 pm

Sorry for the delay in thanking everyone for the advice. We decided not to take it in the end. There were simply too many compromises, size, layout, location etc.
Still looking
Mike

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