Frame inside a frame?

[walnutboy]

Hi all,

There may be a technical name for this, but being a relative newby I would like your opinions on how to set a smaller frame inside a larger one. Basically my client wants a picture behind glass but not touching it, and without any mountboard. I was thinking of making an initial frame and placing the glass in the rebate, and then a slightly smaller frame set behind the glass, with the picture set inside this smaller frame with the back board behind as normal.
My only real issue is how to join the two frames together?
The frames I am thinking of using are:
http://www.arqadia.co.uk/productdetails ... =457000137 (inner frame)
http://www.arqadia.co.uk/productdetails ... 000&id=195 (outer frame)

If anyone has photos of a similar project it would be most helpful, as my tiny little brain gets confused very easily!
Thanks in advance.

[Abacus]

Can't you just use a glass spacer? Lion sell econospace but we just cut down some slip wood to suit

[walnutboy]

I could do, but they like the idea of a feature inside the glass, and to be honest I quite like it too.
I've used coloured straight wood in the past but would like to try something different this time.

[Steve N]

Well the inner one in the link is a spacer, normally used in the upright position ie 6mm wide 29mm high, but you can use it the way it is shown on the Arqadia site, you can even use 3mm wedges in it as well when it's flat

[pramsay13]

The options I use for this kind of situation are either plastic spacer or a wooden spacer under the rebate, or a smaller frame, or a slip that can be seen.

If the deepest frame is the outside one there is no problem, you just fire in points and tape as normal.
If the smaller inside frame is deeper, I normally fire in points from the outside and then staple them in place.

As Steve says the smaller one is a spacer so would normally be placed vertically under the rebate, and if you have it flat there will be a 90 degree edge. You could use a slip profile like this one http://www.arqadia.co.uk/productdetails ... =197800000 that tapers towards the image.

[Framemaker Richard]

There are many ways of doing this, you can either use a frame or a spacer.

My only real issue is how to join the two frames together?

If the inner frame is sticking out the back of the outer frame you can use a simple method: fire framers points into the side of the inner frame, and then put a staple across the framers point, into the back of the outer frame.

You could also use canvas offsets or if you have one of the Fletcher multimaster guns, the points have holes for screws designed for this purpose. I have also seen people use screw eyes put into the side of the inner frame, with a screw through the eye-hole into the back of the outer frame.
Of course if the inner frame is lower, flush, or just proud of the outer frame then hold it in place with framers points as normal.

[walnutboy]

Thanks for all the replies - seems I might have been over-complicating it.
I'll post some photos on here to let you know how I got on.
Thanks again

[IFGL]

there is one on the wall in my shop if you want to look.

[Pheasant]

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