Underpinners

[Hils H]

Hi
I am in the process of setting up a frameworkshop and would love some sound advice on underpinner makes (foot operated) particularly cassese also is morso the best guillotine?

[fusionframer]

Hi there,

I have an air operated underpinner, but know that the cassese cs79 and cs88 both get excellent write ups and are popular with users.

With regards to guillotines, Morso are unbeatable. When I started framing (not that long ago), I went with an electric mitre saw and bench guillotine, and although you can produce good results with these (not as good as Morso), it is also the time a Morso saves making a frame and consistency of making good mitres.

You can get one second hand in good nick for about £500, make sure that it comes with 2 sets of blades in good condition. Morso's are also made to last and you can still get all the parts for any Morso, whatever the age. They will also hold there value, so if for whatever reason you decide it is not for you, you will get your money back.

Goodluck

Nick

[Graysalchemy]

I started of with a cassese cs 88 good machine, but look after it keep it clean and greased. You can't go wrong with a morso to begin with. However keep your blades sharpe and have them hollow ground that is how they are ment to be sharpened.

With regards to buying you need to go to the spring fair and see all on offer. If you want to buy second hand sontact one of the regional wholesallers or Neil Stout Framingengineer.com, I think he will have a small stand at spring fair. He is worth talking to as you will get impartial advice as he only repairs machines and sells a few second hand machines.

Good luck

AG

[vividP]

Hi,
I've been setting up my own workshop this year and decided to go Morso/Cassese for the sake of spares backup & advice - was a good decision I think, necessary spares were ex stock.

Both were bought off the well known tat auction site - Morso was well abused, underpinner's fine. Had to fork out for new rebate supports (if you're buying s/h - view it, demo it, make sure it's all there). And preferrably with all the goodies (left arm, waste chute, guards etc - they're all available as spares if you want them but expensive). Despite its hard life the Morso works fine.

Underpinner is a CS79 - seems fine to my inexperienced hands. My only criticism would be the pressure foot or whatever it's called, the bit that holds down the moulding when pinning. Its triangular shape doesn't fit terribly well with some mouldings, and its aluminium mounting has been known to interfere with some scoops. Lion do a swap out magnetic felt foot that I'm tempted to try. Would happily recommend it though.

I reckon in round terms all in I paid half of new price and I'm up and running - if you're going pro straight off then I'd be tempted to save the hassle and buy new or recon off a reputable dealer. Doubt if you'd go far wrong with Morso/Cassese.

Hope this helps
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[Graysalchemy]

Underpinner is a CS79 - seems fine to my inexperienced hands. My only criticism would be the pressure foot or whatever it's called, the bit that holds down the moulding when pinning. Its triangular shape doesn't fit terribly well with some mouldings, and its aluminium mounting has been known to interfere with some scoops. Lion do a swap out magnetic felt foot that I'm tempted to try. Would happily recommend it though.

You should use differnt bungs for differnent mouldings. The round ones I find best they come in soft yellow and green hard. You also need to adjust the height of the top plunger so that it is only about 5mm from the highest point. Thus you will get support when the nail starts pushing into the wood.

Again I would warn against feebay. People put machines on there because no one else will buy them. Be warned. Also never buy a machine from a commercial framer (like me ) as they will be cream crackered. That is not to say my machines are, that was a piece of advice I was given many years ago, It is common sense to buy a machine with a ' lower mileage' ie from a bespoke frame workshop. You wouldn't but a car from a minicab driver would you you would be better of buying one from the little old lady who only used to go to the shops.

Morso's are robust but underpinners are more prone to wear and tear.

Happy Hunting

AG

[Gesso&Bole]

I've got a metric Morso F for sale if anyone is looking.. Left hand support and 2 sets of blades. Will come with help and advice if needed, and a bundle of moulding to get you started.

This one has been well looked after. Collect from Derby £550

[GeoSpectrum]

Jim, is the Morso still available?

[salesftm@aol.com]

I have several pieces of kit for sale which are surplus to requirements including morsos, morso equivalants, exstractors, double mitre saws,staple and tab guns Plus many hundreds of prints, corner protectors, die cut mounts etc.Let me know if i can help with equipment or advise on setting up your new venture good luck YOURS MIKE .