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How did he keep his face straight?!

God knows - the rest of him wasn't

Roboframer wrote: Great idea and very good of you.

I'm sure we have a member or ten that could rendevous with you, (volunteers anyone?) we could send him/her the money by cheque in time to be converted in to cash for you.

Put me down for one of each - watch out for excess baggage charges!!

Ok, this offer is still on the table. All I need is for someone over on your side to coordinate things and let me know how many copies of each book to order and bring with me. To keep things easy, I'd really prefer to keep them as a set of two books, so as to avoid confusion about who wants which book, how many of each to order, etc.

Anyone care to take up the cause? Yes, I'm looking at you, Robo.

Also I'll email Martin at Lion and ask him if they'd be interested in distributing the books on a formal basis in the future. I'd imagine the demand and need for them would extend past this one instance.

Framer Dave wrote:... I'll email Martin at Lion and ask him if they'd be interested in distributing the books on a formal basis in the future. I'd imagine the demand and need for them would extend past this one instance.

That's a great idea, Dave. To date, Lion has been my first port of call for training books.

Well, if no-one else fancies meeting Dave and collecting the books - I will!

I have a brother in Worcester - two birds!

PM me if you want a pair (of books ) - one (pair) for me anyway Dave, as I said.

Looks like I'm a bit late to this topic, but fortunately, friendly framers have carried the information well. Thank you Dave, Ormond, and Robo.

In case it is still of interest, and because the question has come up twice, here are the ISBN numbers for my books:

The Complete Guide to Shadeowboxes and Framing Objects
ISBN: 978-0966318937

Mounting Objects with Clear Film
ISBN: 0-938655-23-X

I do not know how many books Dave has brought to the UK, but if there are any questions about the contents, I would be pleased to correspond with you.

As to classes, I would dearly appreciate an opportunity to visit the UK and trade ideas with all of you. All I need are airline tickets and a place to stay, I guess.

Look guys, it's the famous Jim Miller!

Welcome Jim!
I know any of the recipients of your books will benefit greatly from the contents, especially things like 'The Slider'!

Hopefully some of the suppliers up there in 'Pomland' might help with your transportation!

Hey, what about coming down here next year for the Sydney trade show? I might mention that to Frank if you had some interest in coming down here.

Hi Jim,

I'm over in Ireland, so couldn't take advantage of Dave's kind offer, so thankyou for providing the ISBN numbers for your books, as I really want to add these titles to my reference library and, hopefully, to add some of the skills they contain to my repertoire.

I have a great interest in object framing and would very much like to develop in this area. Also, from discovering mounting with film (particularly from Robo John), this is another area that I am very keen to learn more about.

I'll see what our library service can do with those ISBNs - Waterstones (etc) too, before Dave comes over in May.

But if the only, or best way to get these books is to collect from Dave and if no-one closer to Birmingham can do it, then I will - so - if that is the case - all anyone has to worry about, bar the cost of the books, is postage - 5 miles or 500 miles away from me will cost the same - cross the Irish sea, a bit more; not much.

If they cannot be purchased/borrowed over here then I will sort out a price with Dave - dollars, pounds, salt, sexual favours - whatever, for the amount of books required and then get it back from you lot.

Do you really want me to be the only framer in the British Isles with a copy of these books?

The publishers will ship here anyway should you wish to buy direct - there should be no VAT on books - not sure about import tax and handling charges though - Dave's visit may be the way to go

Roboframer wrote:Do you really want me to be the only framer in the British Isles with a copy of these books?

Absotively not!

It's very good of you to offer to post them on should it be necessary, John, and greatly appreciated.

I'm interested in getting a set of these books. Any idea of the likely prices please.

I can't remember what I paid from PPFA, but around $30 each. Don't hold me to that.

Whatever the cost is, you will probably make it back on one job, either in upselling or saving time on the job!

Publishers' details have been posted here - just Google them for prices - but use this as a rough guide - exchange rates may confuse things.

I could just give Dave the cash in dollars to the value of his outlay (plus the 'few beers of course - foregone) I don't care - I could use the Volvo to get there instead of the other car and spend 60% more in fuel.

Screw the price - no-one is teaching these methods over here; to learn them - what you goona do? Fly to Vegas?

'Nuff said!

Roboframer wrote:Screw the price - no-one is teaching these methods over here; to learn them - what you goona do? Fly to Vegas?

'Nuff said!

Hear, all ye good people, hear what this brilliant and eloquent speaker has to say!!!!

Roboframer wrote:Screw the price - no-one is teaching these methods over here.. 'Nuff said!

I concur wholeheartedly, John! I have been both trainee and trainer in my lifetime, and what one pays for teaching, be it in book form, or better again, from an expert in their field in person, is cheap at many, many times the prices charged.

One is not buying the book, one is paying a pittance for hard-earned and hard-won knowledge based on experience.

A note to lurkers, and especially the novices who read the Forum: I genuinely hope that you, like me, truly appreciate all that is shared on this Forum by framing experts from around the world. We are blessed and extremely fortunate to receive the gifts they freely give us here!

Same applies for The Grumble.

Roboframer wrote:Screw the price - no-one is teaching these methods over here; to learn them - what you goona do? Fly to Vegas?

'Nuff said!

Hi John,

I'm sorry, but being a "one man band" type of business and as from time to time my long term health problems can affect my cashflow and this is why I try to allocate funds in advance for as many expenses as I can.

So rather than making assumptions, I always ask how much anything is gonna cost, so I don't keep anyone waiting for their money.

I did not intend my question to imply anything negative concerning Jim or his books. In fact I already know that the books will be excellent and well worth getting. That's why I asked about availability in the U.K. and also why I want them.

Roboframer wrote:...Screw the price - no-one is teaching these methods over here; to learn them - what you goona do? Fly to Vegas?
'Nuff said!

That's the spirit, Robo. I hope to visit soon, and can't wait to meet you "Old World" framers. Flying to Vegas isn't out of the question, though. This year we enjoyed the company of a few from UK, and quite a few from OZ and NZ.

The publisher's price for the shadowbox book is US$24.95; for the clear film mounting book, it's US$15.00. I don't know what that amounts to in your currency, but it's probably a good deal at this point in time, considering conversion rates. I will check the cost for shipping a box to you.

It seems from comments here that UK framers are eager for the sharing of new techniques. There is so much to learn. Round and round we go, trying, developing, proving new ways. That is the fun of our business, isn't it?

Speaking of new trchniques, have you tried fine mesh fabric mounting of fragile documents and such, using Stabiltex or Hollytex (polyester), Crepeline (silk) or tulle (nylon)? Mounting techniques in development offer fascinating possibilities. Book in progress, too.

James Miller wrote:.... fine mesh fabric mounting of fragile documents and such...

Hi Jim,

I've heard mention of this technique here and on the Grumble, but have never seen an example of the finished result. Might we prevail upon your good graces to post a picture example sometime?