Video

The Crofter · Post by **The Crofter** » Tue 18 Mar, 2008 10:36 pm

Just a thought.

Not sure if there are any videos/tutorials on the market to help people understand the basics of framing. If not I would be happy to create a DVD entitled "Essential Framing Techniques" or something just as snappy. I am proficient with Premiere Pro and have made a few DVD's in the past to capture activities on a research ship.

Source material would be shot by forum members so this avoids copyright issues. I do not envisage selling the result for a profit, just the raw costs.

Ok so stop me if this has already been done or is not a good idea.

Mr Bojangles · Post by **Mr Bojangles** » Tue 18 Mar, 2008 11:01 pm

What a superb idea Pat, this would certainly benefit us newbies to framing.
Hope you get the support on this idea and I will defo put my name down for one of these dvd's

Moglet · Post by **Moglet** » Tue 18 Mar, 2008 11:44 pm

That's an excellent idea, Pat! Lion do a few vids/DVDs covering some specialist topics (e.g. object framing), but in my - relatively limited - framing travels, I've never come across a video-based teaching aid for "the basics."

Framer Dave · Post by **Framer Dave** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 4:30 pm

Great idea. With the easy availability of video editing software and ease of burning DVDs, the cost of production has come down dramatically.

Vivian Kistler has a number of instructional videos available, though I'm not sure how long it's been since they were updated.

Let me know if I may be of any help. Maybe you could get some support from Lion and or the FATG?

The Crofter · Post by **The Crofter** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 5:56 pm

Just had a quick google to see what sort of video's are available. Should have done this first of course....

Vivian Kistlers videos (I have the books but had no idea about the video availability) will be timeless and show how to do a lot with the most basic of tooling. Frameco have a short framing course on their website which gives a taste of how to use their systems but again the tooling is pretty basic (no offence). I presume there are others but could not find anything from Morso, Keencut etc.

I have to say that I did not really think about what should be in a starter video guide so the content needs to be defined. When I was purchasing the workshop equipment I was buying items based on reviews, forum recommendations and my budget. I remember looking at the keencut ultimat gold, wanting it but wishing I could see it in operation or get more information than the website info/manual.

I think it safe to say that most people on this forum will have moved very quickly from the basic tooling to the trinity of underpinner, mountcutter & board cutter. Either manual or powered operation.

So assuming that the essential techniques or mount cutting etc are well catered for by the likes of Vivian Kistler, perhaps the starter video should detail how to actually use the equipment that is used by forum members.

You would have thought that the big names would have already produced training material to accompany each system but from what I can see it does not exist.

So.....how about starting a collection of short video clips that illustrate how to do such and such on a particular machine.

ie

Morso F - Setting up the scales and rebate supports, cutting your first frame
Cassesse CS79 - Constructing a frame.
Minigraf XYZ - ditto

I think this would help people make the right choice when buying equipment and allow the rest of use to see how other systems work as well. Personally I would live to see "real" video of a CMC in operation.

My first idea of producing a dvd is ok but in this modern age having access to video on line is far easier. I am quite happy to create a new website. The only real cost in all this is bandwith but I doubt we will ever be as popular as I tunes......Who knows, if we are actively endorsing a particular product then the manufacturer may chip in as well.

Ok enough rambling.

Post by **John** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 8:23 pm

The Crofter wrote:Personally I would live to see "real" video of a CMC in operation.

I noticed that Gunnarhave some videos of their machines doing their stuff. Perhaps videos are available for other brands.

Grahame Case · Post by **Grahame Case** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 8:41 pm

an excellent idea Pat.

we'd be more than happy to offer it as a "Digital Download" on our new E-commerce site.

Post by **John** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 8:58 pm

Or how about using the videos to illustrate articles in the Oracle?

Grahame Case · Post by **Grahame Case** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 9:00 pm

John wrote:Or how about using the videos to illustrate articles in the Oracle?

John, that is inspired thinking, what a perfect way to add illustration to the oracle.

what sort of page hits/exposure is the oracle getting these days? would it benefit from some linking from member websites?

The Crofter · Post by **The Crofter** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 9:03 pm

Thanks Grahame but I am wondering if there should be a charge for any material. That may sound a bit daft but the clips will be coming (hopefully) from a variety of sources, not only forum members but I should be able to post manufacturers stuff as well. This makes charging a bit difficult and I also wonder just how many people would pay to download a "tutorial". Of course it would be great to be able to compensate contributors for time/effort.

Perhaps I could just mark each video as being free or a low cost download. In which case I would happily link to your site to provide the commerce aspect. May be possible to automatically credit the creator with a percentage. I really do not want to go down this road myself at present..but who knows !.

Anyone have thoughts on pricing ?.

Grahame Case · Post by **Grahame Case** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 9:55 pm

we can offer it as free, or low cost, depending on what the site decides.

although, on reflection it might be better to host it on a different site though, and for all of our sites (those who have a link with amateur/new framers etc) to link into it,

i know many amateur framers and artists purchase their mounts online, and i know we have at least 3 online mount shop owners here, all of which i would imagine would love to see people more educated in the basics of framing.

osgood · Post by **osgood** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 10:02 pm

The Crofter wrote: Anyone have thoughts on pricing ?.

If there are commercial DVD's available then people should buy them from wherever they are available.

If amateur videos are going to be made then they should be available for free IMHO!

The Crofter · Post by **The Crofter** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 10:37 pm

Agreed but if someone goes to a lot of trouble to video a particular technique then it would be nice to provide a reward. The only people who will benefit from the site will be the manufacturers & new framers. Altruism is great but may not encourage many people to contribute.

Perhaps that is another question to throw out.

How many people out there would be willing to spend time to create video's for the site and would you expect payment ?.

fionnuala · Post by **fionnuala** » Wed 19 Mar, 2008 10:44 pm

pat,

i think thats a great idea.

i have often read threads here on adjusting the morso etc.. to sort different problems out and i have found it v. hard to follow.

1. because i have no experience with machines and
2. i find it so much easier to grasp if i can watch it being done as opp to reading about it.

so thumbs up from me.

fionnuala x

The Crofter · Post by **The Crofter** » Thu 20 Mar, 2008 9:01 pm

Update:

I have just registered a new website www.theframersresource.org which will be live in a few days. Naturally content will initially be sparse but hopefully it will grow quickly. I will include details regarding suitable material on the website.

The site content will be free so anyone providing material will be doing so for the good of the community, naturally the author will be acknowleged.

I am starting to contact suppliers with a view to reproducing some web content from their sites.

I called it a resource as I also believe there is a lot of information skulking around on various forums which may be suitable for inclusion. Can someone help me out on the copyright aspect here please.

To ensure the site remains "passive" I will not include equipment reviews by forum members but would consider reports from trade mags or other professional sources.

Naturally I would be delighted to hear from anyone with ideas regarding content.

Too many naturally's.....what the heck.

Merlin · Post by **Merlin** » Thu 20 Mar, 2008 9:12 pm

Hi Pat

I thought the suggestion of putting all this on the the Oracle a good idea.

It has already started to be populated by members of framing forums.

Then there is the Framers Directory, which is also in the stages of being populated.

Is this - instead of - or - as well as, those in existence?

Just my thoughts.

Moglet · Post by **Moglet** » Thu 20 Mar, 2008 9:32 pm

I concur with Merlin. I think the Oracle would be an ideal place for accessing the video material. The intent of the Oracle is to be a repository of framing information, reference material, FAQ's, etc., etc. The inclusion of video tutorials would be a highly attractive feature and, IMO, the text, image, and video-based materials will mutually reinforce each other ("the whole being greater than the sum of the parts" type of thang).

Also, I personally welcome reviews of equipment, materials, etc., by people who use them day-in-day-out: I would certainly give them more weight than a "benchmark test" in a magazine. Some people may love a particular piece of kit, some people may hate it, but be absolutely sold on certain features offered by a similar piece of kit from another manufacturer. Howzabout:

- Oracle Topic: How to Use <blah>
----- Video showing "How To"
----- Supplier Manual (PDF, or link to relevant page of Mfr Site)
----- Link to Manufacturer Feature List
----- Practical Hints 'n' Tips for Using <blah>
----- Where to Buy
----- User Reviews
----------- Tom's Opinion
----------- Dick's Opinion
----------- Harry's Opinion

Only a personal viewpoint but hopefully one idea for a practical and balanced approach.

The Crofter · Post by **The Crofter** » Thu 20 Mar, 2008 10:16 pm

Ok...so before I go off and boil my head

are you all saying the material should be included in the Oracle section of this forum ?. This negates the need for an additional website. There are currently 3 posts on the oracle so it is not exactly a hotbed of information !.

Spit · Post by **Spit** » Thu 20 Mar, 2008 10:29 pm

The Crofter wrote:Ok...so before I go off and boil my head are you all saying the material should be included in the Oracle section of this forum ?. This negates the need for an additional website. There are currently 3 posts on the oracle so it is not exactly a hotbed of information !.

Are you looking at the Oracle itself? Click on the icon top left, there is more there than that - and if there isn't, add to it!

Spit · Post by **Spit** » Thu 20 Mar, 2008 10:31 pm

Spit wrote: Click on the icon top left

When I say top left, I mean scroll right up to the top..........