collograph print

fionnuala · Post by **fionnuala** » Thu 17 Apr, 2008 9:55 pm

one of the local art students came in wanting this framed. the image is on what feels like tissue paper.(for want of a better word)

she wants 4- 5 inch mountboard around it.

any suggestions on what to put it on? e.g. do i stick it down?(i am aware of FATG regulations on orginial art) but she wants it flat.

p.s. don't have a drymounting press.

Roboframer · Post by **Roboframer** » Thu 17 Apr, 2008 11:32 pm

Got a photo? How big is it and are you showing the edges (floating it) or mounting over the edges?

Post by **prospero** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 12:36 am

Soft, strong and thoroughly absorbent eh?

Don't ya just love art student work. They always want it cheap as poss but the materials/techniques usually make it complicated (an "angry badger" to quote the latest buzzword on the Grumble.

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Dri-mounting is one option but that's really a last resort given the type of paper. I would try and get a scrap of the same paper to test before attemting this.

If it's been rolled or very waaaavy I would sandwich it between two sheets of board and leave for a few weeks with a few heavy books on top. This should flatten it to a point where it could be hinged in the traditional manner. Whether it would stay flat is questionable. Again, sacrificial scrap piece would be handy to test the hinge adhesion.

I bet it is on the large size as well.....

Moglet · Post by **Moglet** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 12:44 am

prospero wrote:Don't ya just love art student work. They always want it cheap as poss ...

Not always! I framed three pieces for a very nice young lady recently. Wanted something to suit her work, made no quibbles about price, was very appreciative of advice given, and was visibly delighted with her finished frames. Why can't there be more like her?

Post by **prospero** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 12:55 am

Moglet wrote: Not always! I framed three pieces for a very nice young lady recently. Wanted something to suit her work, made no quibbles about price, was very appreciative of advice given, and was visibly delighted with her finished frames. Why can't there be more like her?

A satisfied customer! We all know what Basil Fawlty said of such rare creatures.

fionnuala · Post by **fionnuala** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 12:42 pm

john,

can't do a pic as i haven't got a clue how to get the pic from my camera onto the computer and then unto this site!!

its about 10 x 8 inches. i never thought about showing the edges, that might look nice. i just suggested covering the edges with mountboard as usual.

prospero

she hasn't got that much time i'm afraid. her exhibition is next week.

aine

were these the same (collograph prints). if so how did u do it?

Post by **prospero** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 1:00 pm

Bit hard to advise without the dog seeing the rabbit, but that size makes it slightly less problematic. How crinkly/wavy is it?

btw. Some cameras can connect direct to PC via usb, but it usually means installing a load of carp software that you don't want. Best way is to get a card reader. Plug the cam's memory card into the reader, plug the reader into a usb port and the PC should recognise it as a extra drive. You can then copy/paste and generally organise the pics on the card to your main hard drive.

vfmarky · Post by **vfmarky** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 1:13 pm

It never ceases to amaze me in this forum, but when I'm having a mental battle royal over a job someone else posts a similar problem.
Got a black on white pen & ink of two cats on hand made thin tissue-like hand-made paper. I want to show the edges and mount it 3mm above the Artcare. I actually thought of laying it over some precut self adhesive.
Do I detect a universal intake of breath through teeth or would that be OK?

Roboframer · Post by **Roboframer** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 1:19 pm

I don't get the 'she wants it flat' bit.

A colograph is a sort of imprint of a collage, IOW a collage in relief. It's supposed to be lumpy.

Framerpicture · Post by **Framerpicture** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 1:25 pm

Roboframer wrote:I don't get the 'she wants it flat' bit.

A colograph is a sort of imprint of a collage, IOW a collage in relief. It's supposed to be lumpy.

I think a colograph can be printed either as intaglio or relief

Roboframer · Post by **Roboframer** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 1:34 pm

True.

http://www.tabithafedden.co.uk/collcon_1.htm

Bill Henry · Post by **Bill Henry** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 2:22 pm

vfmarky wrote: Got a black on white pen & ink of two cats on hand made thin tissue-like hand-made paper. I want to show the edges and mount it 3mm above the Artcare. I actually thought of laying it over some precut self adhesive.
Do I detect a universal intake of breath through teeth or would that be OK?

Most self adhesives may show through a very thin paper and might bunch up just a little if you don’t position it dead bang the first time.

You might have better luck whipping up a small batch of wheat or rise paste and applying tiny dots of this adhesive on the surface of the mount board. That will give you a few seconds to position the art jes’ so.

Once you’ve placed a “blotter” type paper over it under weight and let it sit for a few hours, the paste will dry clear and be nearly invisible.

Moglet · Post by **Moglet** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 3:58 pm

fionnuala wrote:aine - were these the same (collograph prints). if so how did u do it?

'Fraid not, Fionnuala. They were acrylics on board. Never heard of a colograph till this thread.

Not your average framer · Fri 18 Apr, 2008 7:11 pm

As the ex-owner of an old books and antique prints shop, I would advise you to be aware of the following:-

Any plate-mark around this print is a mark of authenticity and should not be removed by flattening, as this would affect the future value of the print to a collector. Print collectors expect to see the plate marks intact.

Normally there are characteristic flatness irregularities, because the prints are pulled off from the printing plate by hand while the paper is usually slightly wet. Again this is normal and is not normally flatened as this is part of the prints original condition and is another indicator of authenticity.

fionnuala · Post by **fionnuala** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 9:15 pm

what some of u are describing is totally different to what i think i'm on about.

acccording to how she described it to me, the original art was lumpy and bits of stuff in it etc, but this is a copy i.e. like a limited edition print of a canvas or something.

it actually is fairly flat. i mean if u hold up a kleenex its exactly like that only with an image printed on it.

no plate marks.

think i might do it like Bill henry said.

fionnuala · Post by **fionnuala** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 9:17 pm

sorry just to try n clarify what i said. she made the original but she has made 7 copies. one of which she is framing and that is what i have.

Roboframer · Post by **Roboframer** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 9:44 pm

How did she make the copies?

Roboframer · Post by **Roboframer** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 9:56 pm

fionnuala wrote:
can't do a pic as i haven't got a clue how to get the pic from my camera onto the computer and then unto this site!!

I'm a total dinosaur, but when you buy a digital camera there wil be a disc with it, just insert that disc into the disc inserting bit and follow the instructions, the it's 'installed'

All you have to do then, once you have taken some shots, is plug the camera in to the computer with the lead provided, turn the camera on and follow the prompts which appear, you'll end up with your photos stored in 'my pictures' Give the 'folder' a name such as 'collograph' - just click on the folder and one of the options on the left is 're-name this folder' .... or ... don't do that, just remember the name your computer has given the folder - like 'image 00/222011'

Go to the forum, click 'post reply' and then 'add image' and then 'browse' select 'my pictures'

Gawd - I'm bushed ........ you should get it if you get that far.

fionnuala · Post by **fionnuala** » Fri 18 Apr, 2008 10:04 pm

not sure what it was. some sort of machine at the collage i guess. u know when she comes in again next week i'll ask her and i'll write down what she says after. cos i'm dreadful for retaining info.

thnks prospero and john for instructions on how to do the pic thing cos i've always wanted to be able to do it but too embarassed to ask!!

i'm definately goin to try out the pic thing tho. will get back to this thread when i get it sorted.

vfmarky · Post by **vfmarky** » Sat 19 Apr, 2008 1:18 pm

Bill, thanks for the hint. The unforgiving nature of self adhesive was holding me off 'cos once it's down - it's down.
I also want to retain the hand-made nature of the paper, which is quite thin, so the paste idea is the way I'll go, so thanks. Markie