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Hi,

Here is a link to an interesting video on how to prepare a newspaper for framing

http://ie.youtube.com/VivianKistler

Regards

stephen

Many thanks for posting that link………she is a great lady and has contributed enormously to the picture framing industry,,,,

an interesting video link -

I couldn't hear her very well, so a couple of questions if anyone has the answer:

1. what was the spray she used on the paper - is it standard practice to apply such a spray to what might be a valuable item?

2. putting a piece of matt-board in the centre of the paper sometimes does not allow the item to sit nice and flat as the board will be a slightly smaller shape to the opening in the matt-board- is there any trick to using such a board up the centre?

Thanks

Ross

ross wrote:an interesting video link -

I couldn't hear her very well, so a couple of questions if anyone has the answer:

1. what was the spray she used on the paper -

Archival Mist is what was used, can only find it in USA and Canada,

Ian

Found a product called "Krylon" in an aerosol can on Craft Creations web site

Ian

Hi Framers,

The product is Archival Mist but as someone posted there is a Krylon.Weito brand was the original one I used in the 80s. It imparts a buffering to the paper, neutralizing the acid in the wood pulp, just like our mat/mount boards--It really works --you can test it yourself with a current piece of newspaperpaper--spray one side --no spray on the other and put it in the store window for a week. Big difference.
The purpose of the matboard in the center (if mulitple pages are involved) is support--eventually the pages will slump.

Vivian

Welcome to the forum Vivian.
Maybe we need to find a supplier in the UK that will stock it.

Welcome Vivian

Hopefully you can visit every now and then...

My last Conservation Resources catalogue is bit out of date, but from memory it lists a product called "CHC" which must be a very similar product. If they still stock it, their UK branch is based in Oxford.

I would guess that PEL can probably supply something similar.

Not your average framer wrote:
I would guess that PEL can probably supply something similar.

You'd be right, but look at the price!

Roboframer wrote:You'd be right, but look at the price!

I thought the price was not bad. What you are offering the customer is a highly specialised conservation procedure. Now since when did that come cheap?

I'd bet you can do lots of jobs like that from one small size can and why limit yourself to just treating newspapers? How about certificates, paper memorabilia, etc, etc.

Sound like a great service to offer!

Well, I'd hardly call it highly specialised - anyone could do it after watching that clip. But I do agree that the outlay is more than worth it if you charge correctly.

I just didn't expect it to cost very much! I wonder how the cost compares to the US?

The Jolly Good Framer #1 wrote: Maybe we need to find a supplier in the UK that will stock it.

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Thanks Vivian for the explanation - would you be good enough to answer 2 further questions?

. the rag matt - board used in the centre of the paper you mentioned should be slightly smaller than the paper - is there any relevance to the size of the board to the opening in the matt-board one uses when framing the item

. when using a mylar envelope, are you ever concerned with condensation inside an enclosed envelope having any impact on the paper

Ross

Roboframer wrote:Well, I'd hardly call it highly specialised - anyone could do it after watching that clip. But I do agree that the outlay is more than worth it if you charge correctly.

I just didn't expect it to cost very much! I wonder how the cost compares to the US?

It's pretty expensive here, too. Depending on brand and source, I have seen it sell from 11 to 41 pounds per can. Maybe it's changed since the last time I used it, but it always seemed to clog up halfway through a can, rendering the rest of the can useless.

I don't care much for it personally. For it to be really effective, the paper needs to be saturated, and that's just not practical or cost-effective with a spray. A lighter spray will simply not impart the paper with enough buffering agent to last very long, much like so-called acid free mats. It's simply a temporary measure. And saturating an irreplaceable piece of paper makes me nervous.

As far as condensation goes, it's not much of a worry at all. Condensation occurs on cool surfaces. Mylar, acrylic and other similar products cool down and warm up with ambient conditions much faster than something like glass. Since there is very little temperature difference between the material and humid air, condensation is not likely to occur.