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The topic on mounting cigarette cards inspired me to go and buy a couple of sets for the shop - to sell, but also to sell more of this type of thing.

Found an antique shop in Arundel that has hundreds of sets - not all complete. But the set of ships was supposed to be complete so I don't know if I lost one or what - I nearly cut the mounts before I found out!

Anyway - they'll be encapsulated and mounted to see both sides - double mount front, single mount back. Instead of juggling the apertures to make 49 look good, I deleted the highest of the two central ones and inserted an oval.

The one on the back takes care of where to put a label!

Nice one. John.

The centre oval makes it look even betterer, Great, but what else would you expect from Roboframer.

PS: is this thinking outside the box??

Ian

I brought the photos of the next stage home on a memory stick, well, I thought I did - it shows a folder with the correct filename but when I click it - nothing happens!

So, here's the thousand words the pictures can't paint!

As I said - going for encapsulation - do I want to encapsulate 49 individual things? Nope!

So, I laid a sheet of melinex over the single (back) mount and taped it in place, then I laid a grid of 889 tape on that sheet along the 'bars' and peeled away the release paper, then I removed the mount from under the melinex and then (very carefully!) positioned the cards within each 'aperture' of tape and (even more carefully) laid another sheet of melinex over the top of the lot and burnished the melinex to the tape.

Ir would have been nice if they were all perfectly aligned and I could have just put the lot together like that, but they weren't and I couldn't - each encapsulated card was cut out and mounted individually in numerical order - a real pain - but a good exercise.

Now I know how long it takes to do this - and even with a CMC I'm going to have to make a compromise between what I SHOULD charge and what's realistic. Manually? I don't think I'd want to know - definitely no double mount multi aperture ...... and forget that little oval!

Also, if these cards were not my property then no way would I do it the same - I'd encapsulate each card individually - too much risk of one slipping on to the exposed tape otherwise. I was just lucky this time.

£2 a card would not be enough and I'd not get the job.

Reckon on not charging anything at all for the 150 apertures and then £1 a card - so basic frame (Complete frame with one mount) plus 2 extra mounts, plus an extra piece of glass, plus another mount to conceal points and tape on rear, plus £50....... HMMMMMMMMM! .........

You know what? I'm going to sell these for whatever I reckon they look worth and then just keep quiet about bloody cigarette cards.

Anyone got a source for those nice die cut mounts?

Roboframer wrote:Anyone got a source for those nice die cut mounts?

Hi John,

They come from Barrington-Smith and you will need to send them a copy of your letterhead or a business card to prove that you are a bona-fide business, before they will sell to you.

They have a big catalogue with lots of repro sets of cards for framing and the prices are good too!

I've never done all that well selling framed sets of cards, but some people must sell them or else Barrington-Smith wouldn't bother to stock so much stuff.

Ha - I bet that's where my 'antique shop' got these cards from!!

I don't really want to buy die-cut mounts - cutting those mounts was a doddle and I bet you a pound to a pinch of proverbial that Barrington Poncybollocks don't use alphamat artcare.

John
Get either the Yellow head or the White head. both will cut 90 degrees.

Oh for a Valiani.......................................

Must say I also got interested in cutting multi aperture mounts too.
Thought I ought to find out how to do them with a Fletcher 2100, after a few mistakes I was eventually successful.
Cutting 49 apertures manually would be tedious! but I guess that’s how it was done before CMCs, wasn’t it?
Sorry I missed you John when I called in at the shop recently must say I was impressed with some of the examples you have on display.

Jim.

Merlin wrote:Get either the Yellow head or the White head. both will cut 90 degrees.

I've got the yellow head, but after this I'll not be plugging double-sided mounting of cigarette cards using any method - well, not large sets anyway! What's the point - especially in this case - all the pictures are landscape and all the writing on the back of the cards is portrait - the frame has to be turned on its side to read the backs!

Far better to scan/copy the lot in one go and give (sell) the customer a copy of that! But, if anyone insists on seeing both sides (unlikely) then it's do-able - but boy will I try and scare them off with the cost!

Only encapsulated because the ships' names are in the card borders - the whole card needed to be shown, so I would have done that, well an overlay, anyway.

guzzijim wrote: Sorry I missed you John when I called in at the shop recently.

Me too! It's a pity my wife wasn't there either - I was at home - 2 mins away - she would have rung me there - as it was my mobile was rung - it was in the car!