Frame cords and angles etc

[Tim]

Hello all

I've just found (and read) this excellent page from the wiki, and I have a couple of questions.

When I was first trained in the noble art of framing some nine years or so ago, I was shown a method for tying the cord/wire which I've used ever since. It now appears from the article I've just read that I've been 'doin' it wrong'

My questions are these

A) Do you mark the back of the picture to show the 'hanging point(s) for the customer (if so, what 'hanging angle' do you use, 60 degrees would seem best for heavier frames?)
B) How far 'down' the frame from the top do you position the 'D' rings ? (assume that's the preferred method for this exercise)
C) How far from the top of the frame do you keep the cord ?

Thanks in advance

<edit> Sorry - just thought of a 4th.... D) At what overall weight would you begin to recommend two hooks, even if the cord being used would support a single hook?

[Roboframer]

The diagram is showing that 60 degrees and two hooks is best, maybe bar the smallest of frames.

I mark the wall hanging points on the back of the frame with a stamp and supply the wallhooks too.

[Keadyart]

... and supply the wallhooks too.

Do you have a standard 'wallhook'?What if the customer hasnt decided where to hang the picture?
Diffent type of wall different wallhook presumably?

Brian

[Roboframer]

We're a frame shop - we stock loads of different types and ask the customers about their walls etc.

[Keadyart]

Thanks for that John,
I do advise customer re hanging of pictures ,but don't supply fixings-for fear of them failing or not being properly used by the customer.

All the best
Brian

[Keadyart]

Just made me think,
If it was my partner that was getting framing from youself

Robo-where is the picture to be hung madam?
My better half - in the kitchen
Robo- what type of walls do you have?
better half- light blue
Robo - oh ,sorry madam I mean brick,plasterboard,.....?
better half - I don't know..
etc etc

anyway carry on
Brian

[Keadyart]

Tim,

A- No
B - Approx 1/3 of rebate length.
C - Inside rebate
D - Don't usually weigh frames,but anything I think is 'pretty heavy' in my own opinion , I have a trial on a wall in my house or workshop and then advise accordingly

All the best
Brian

[Roboframer]

Yes yes, of course we get people who don't know what their walls are made of, we either ask more questions like is there cupboards on the wall, whatever and if there's still no idea we can either give them something to try or just forget it.

[stcstc]

do you get into issues if the thing falls off the wall as you supplied the fixings?

i know generally its not going to be your fault but do you get customers saying hey my new frame fell off the wall

[Roboframer]

Not yet, but I'm the type of guy who likes to live on the edge.

[prospero]

I heard a story once.....Might have been told by Peter Ustinov or some other wag. It involves a man who went to visit an old French Countess in her Paris apartment. She collected art and he had gone round to view her latest acquisition. A Renoir or something of that ilk. She had it hanging in a narrow corridor, near the floor. He asked her why she had put it there as it was hard to get a proper look at it. She simply replied......


"There was a nail"